Logical problem of evil
1) God is omnipotent (premise)
2) God is benevolent (premise)
3) Benevolent beings are opposed to all evil. (premise)
4) God is opposed to all evil. (conclusion from 2 and 3)
5) God can eliminate evil completely. (conclusion from 1)
6) Whatever end result of suffering, God can bring about by ways which do not include suffering. (conclusion from 1)
7) God has no reason not to eliminate evil (conclusion from 5.1)
8) God will eliminate evil completely. (conclusion from 4, 5 and 5.2)
9) Evil exists, has existed, and probably will always exist. (premise)
10) Items 6 and 7 are contradictory; therefore the premises are wrong
Therefore, premises are false, or God does not exist.
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silentvoyces
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It's a real pitty...
my english is so bad and poor.
But I'm a philosophical person!
If you like to read german senses... (yeah i dont think so, but maybe), then go to my journals.
My special themes are:
reduction - especially in art: red/black/skincolour
the theory of the one - yes, a little bit like the neo-theory (Matrix)
everything is nothing - you can't accept it
apparently but not ignorant
(german: Offensichtlich aber nicht Oberflächig)
the death/love/I/feelings/dreams/volition-connection
I'm a big praxis and theory doubter.
I will to get the Philosophicalmaster! (Pikashu!)
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"look behind our questions."
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*shutters to think of it*
......*looks around* interesting....
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The best defence a Jark fanatic can come up with:
Swear words and name calling in reference to $Spyed's title of "Loved Administrator"
ther we go
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I almost laughed at your last little sentences, because, really, it's very cruel and funny to think of the amount of deprivation that those kids could go through. We don't need cloning-abortions-and-gay-rights to be the moral issue of the day, alone. Let's be fair and add this problem to the masses.
I do think most people don't know how to legally thwart this sort of behavior/culture stigma, as well as not being bale to EDUCATE those memnonite/amish/holy-crap-out-of-jesus'-ass groups.
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Like art, revolutions come from combining what exists into what has never existed before. -- Gloria Steinem
I'm surprised that she's allowed to read even, is it because they fear that she would run away like her oler brother and sister that they give her tiny pinch amounts of knowledge? Just enough to keep her mentally incapable of making that decision to run away?
Anyways, I never will understand why the governments of Canada and the USA don't do something about these oppressive puritanicals such as the Amish-like people living all over mid-western America...I mean, obviously, they are pretty good at thwarting the two countriies' laws because most of what they do is allowed by the freedom-seeking constitutions of both governments. Children under the age of 18 are overruled by their parents, especially if the parents are not into anything other than chicken pot pie, hand-washed clothes, and environmentally friendly square dancing.
It's very hard not to call what I said stereotyping, but it does tell a lot about what they DO do in their lives, which is a very simple one. The part that pisses most people off is the problems between genders, the patriarchal social cast, the polygamy, the incest, the educational stunting(which could be a sport), and the backwards approach to science, medicine, and technology.
I bet they've all got a potentially high rate of mental/physical retardation in their bloodlines too; a genetic mess.
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Like art, revolutions come from combining what exists into what has never existed before. -- Gloria Steinem
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Like art, revolutions come from combining what exists into what has never existed before. -- Gloria Steinem
There are great differences between the urban/culturally stimulating schools of cities compared to the outback highschool, ya know. I'd say, there's a chance that she will actually be very receptive to what she learns, but, when she goes home, the differences between school and home will combine to make one sour little chica....
From experience, it never helped having to pretend at school and having to face realities at home. Sometimes, an option for the better would be running away, in her situation. Unless, of course, she agrees (suspiciously) to her father and mother's beliefs.
I have to say, some of my grandmother's second-removed-whatever families have daughters that wear the black chador in their daily lives, and grow up in a patronizing family society, and yet, whenever I visit, she gets to go out with me in my tight manteau, bermuda pants, sandals, and they rather don't mind...I'd say that's because they realize very well that a child once molded at an early age, and especially girls, remain very stoicly defendant of their position in life, even if they're missing a few marbles upstairs.
In reference to this girl, this Pilgrim, and comparing her to most of the truly puritanical families, I wonder how many children/adolescents actually escape their ranks, and how many remain, even though they KNOW of the world outside.
There are great differences between the urban/culturally stimulating schools of cities compared to the outback highschool, ya know. I'd say, there's a chance that she will actually be very receptive to what she learns, but, when she goes home, the differences between school and home will combine to make one sour little chica....
From experience, it never helped having to pretend at school and having to face realities at home. Sometimes, an option for the better would be running away, in her situation. Unless, of course, she agrees (suspiciously) to her father and mother's beliefs.
I have to say, some of my grandmother's second-removed-whatever families have daughters that wear the black chador in their daily lives, and grow up in a patronizing family society, and yet, whenever I visit, she gets to go out with me in my tight manteau, bermuda pants, sandals, and they rather don't mind...I'd say that's because they realize very well that a child once molded at an early age, and especially girls, remain very stoicly defendant of their position in life, even if they're missing a few marbles upstairs.
In reference to this girl, this Pilgrim, and comparing her to most of the truly puritanical families, I wonder how many children/adolescents actually escape their ranks, and how many remain, even though they KNOW of the world outside.
There are great differences between the urban/culturally stimulating schools of cities compared to the outback highschool, ya know. I'd say, there's a chance that she will actually be very receptive to what she learns, but, when she goes home, the differences between school and home will combine to make one sour little chica....
From experience, it never helped having to pretend at school and having to face realities at home. Sometimes, an option for the better would be running away, in her situation. Unless, of course, she agrees (suspiciously) to her father and mother's beliefs.
I have to say, some of my grandmother's second-removed-whatever families have daughters that wear the black chador in their daily lives, and grow up in a patronizing family society, and yet, whenever I visit, she gets to go out with me in my tight manteau, bermuda pants, sandals, and they rather don't mind...I'd say that's because they realize very well that a child once molded at an early age, and especially girls, remain very stoicly defendant of their position in life, even if they're missing a few marbles upstairs.
In reference to this girl, this Pilgrim, and comparing her to most of the truly puritanical families, I wonder how many children/adolescents actually escape their ranks, and how many remain, even though they KNOW of the world outside.
And they're sending her to highschool, for god's sake. It will be a miracle if she survives.
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Well, as I replied, the hutterites' main objective is to "love thy neighbour as thyself" , and folks, you can't get too much more Christian than that, if you look at the actual teachings of Jesus himself. All these revised, re-edited, re-translated spin versions of christianity may twist otherwise, but I'm referring to the grassroots, Christ's own words version.
That said, What Christ said was that someone striving to do good deeds (A.K.A. Loving their neighbour as they love themself, A.K.A. The Golden Rule...) is more likely to reach spiritual fulfillment than someone carrying a whole stack of Bibles, bleating "Jesus is my Savior! Jesus is the way to heaven!!!! Accept Christ as the one true savior!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" while shoving a giant crucifix down their victims' throats.I can't give you the citation, but in Romans there is a passage about "they worship me with their tongues but not with their hearts." So who is more "Christian"? The doer of good deeds or the proclaimer? Does living a "Christian" lifestyle, making the most important commandment by Christ's own words (supposedly, if we believe the Bible) your way of life, count for nothing?? Who more deserves Heaven?
"They worship me with their tongues but not with their hearts." Clearly today's standards have shown a dramatic rise in the wagging of tongues.
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Like art, revolutions come from combining what exists into what has never existed before. -- Gloria Steinem
It's a mild guess at how mentally imbalanced the child will be if he or she is separated from the parents, but I'm sure we can all come up with millions of scenarios. Child blames the whistleblower; child goes insane; child becomes a dissident from the law; child becomes happy? (if they are set into the right circumstances). So, it's a wild guess, and it's someone's will that some children survive, and others don't...unfortunately, someone has yet to come up with a completely detailed and emotionally forgiving theory on handling these poor mites.
One random day I walked in the door and there was a huge family sitting in my living room. They were all dressed like stereotypical mennonites; long grey skirts and high collar buttoned grey shirts, high black shoes for the girls, pleated pants, suspenders, plaid shirts on the boys. Anyway, apparently, they were some sort of distant cousin to me (second cousins thrice removed or some nonsense). They were the sweetest, most well-behaved kids I've ever met. They live on a remote, completely self-sufficient farm in northern Ontario. All the kids are homeschooled and are not allowed to associate with other children for fear of moral contamination. They aren't allowed to read books (besides the glorious bible, of course, which they read daily) and they spend their lives in a bubble of ignorant bliss from the outside world.
To me, that was kind of interesting, if not mildly disturbing.
Then...
we were sitting at the table having a nice chat when one little girl nudged me discreetly, and leaned over to whisper: "You left it out on the table, maybe you should put it away," indicating a wooden cutting board we had there with a wooden handle. At my look of confusion, she continued: "It's sitting right there and you have people over. You should put it out of sight." I asked her what she was talking about, and she replied with the astounding question: "Isn't that what your father uses to hit you at night?"
"UH... NO. Are you joking?"
"Don't you get a spank at night for your sins?"
"No. I've been spanked like twice in my life. With a hand. And it never really hurt; it just kind of made me mad."
She didn't fucking believe me. That little girl thought that every family had the children line up and get paddled so hard they cried each and every fucking night. No matter what they'd done. The eldest was FIFTEEN fucking years old. You know what their sins were? Speaking. Looking too pretty. Smiling too much.
SICK.
She also said something to me in a way that made me suspicious that he enjoyed the paddling in a sick, nasty way.
Is it okay for people who are clearly mentally sick and twisted to hide behind a mask of 'Religion'? Those children will be fucked over for life. They will never be functioning, happy members of society becuse their parents are crazy christian motherfuckers.
Hell, at least their souls will be saved.
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Like art, revolutions come from combining what exists into what has never existed before. -- Gloria Steinem
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